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PostSubject: Mojang vs. Yogscast?!?   22/11/2011, 14:59

According to Notch, the Yogscast are jerks. Notch's Post:
Im not sure about image size, I am bad at it so sorry in advance.
What do you guys think? I just hope it is a misunderstanding (the Mojang vs. Yogscast thing, not my image sizes.) They may even be joking, but I doubt that. I think that Notch may have gotten offended by some things the Yogscast said that were meant jokingly but still were mean. So, what about you?

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PostSubject: Re: Mojang vs. Yogscast?!?   22/11/2011, 17:30

I just cant see them as being that harsh, but we will just have to wait and see what their side of the story is.
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PostSubject: Re: Mojang vs. Yogscast?!?   22/11/2011, 20:48

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Heard about the drama with Yogscast at Minecon, in full support of Simon and Lewis, organisers fault for giving stage time to people that they knew full well have no qualms about using "harsh language", which is evident through their content. Don't get me started on the idea that undirected, unmalicious swearing can somehow be offensive, because that idea is fucking stupid. Words have no inherent offensive value unless the intent is there, hence the reason you can gravely insult someone without swearing, yet say Fudge in normal conversation and reasonable people won't bat an eyelid. If they were specific instructed not to use that kind of language then yes, Notch has a point since that's a matter of following instructions, but if they were not, he and the organisers should be blaming themselves, not the entertainers. Sounds like Minecon had more than just swearing problems anyway, referring to the joke of an afterparty. Here endeth this talkin'

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PostSubject: Re: Mojang vs. Yogscast?!?   22/11/2011, 21:55

Sounds like a misunderstanding from Notch's side. Yogscast doesn't seem like the douchey kind (both parties are kinda socially awkward, not weird since both use most of their time inside behind a computerscreen)
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PostSubject: Re: Mojang vs. Yogscast?!?   23/11/2011, 00:27

I dont know, I think Im behind the yogscast on this one. Seems like a huge misunderstanding that should have been kept private instead of Notch running to twitter, god I hate twitter. After I heard all this was going down I watched the interview with Notch, for crying out loud HE talked about masturbating and f**king Simons mother. Sound extremely professional. I just cant see Simon and Lewis acting like divas, Hannah maybe, but thats because she is a woman and most of us are divas.
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PostSubject: Re: Mojang vs. Yogscast?!?   23/11/2011, 01:12

Keep in mind there's more to the Yogscast than just Simon, Lewis and Hannah - there's their own little crew as well of helpers. I have a feeling one or two of them perhaps incited this incident if anything. We can't really comment on it until Yogscast come out and tell their side to the story.

As much as I enjoy the yogscast, I can't help but wonder if some egos collided. Lewis gives off an impression of having a big ego, but maybe that's because he adopts the douchebag look of wearing sunglasses inside when it's a dark stage...and some minecon guys said that the Peva person, whoever that is, was also quite cranky with some folk throughout. We'll need to wait and see though as said before, their response will probably be later on tonight.
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PostSubject: Re: Mojang vs. Yogscast?!?   23/11/2011, 01:28

Due to this blummin manflu I'm just about getting over, I pretty much spent yesterday in bed reading about this.

From the sounds of it, the 'fudge off' Simon threatened to write on a ball was a joke in the same vein as the J. K. Rowling one, and never actually happened. As for the panel they were asked to do at Minecon, the Yogscast say they were not given any particular instructions and thought that the best thing would be to show videos of player creations as well as some Yogscast ones. These obviously included some swearing, and I think they offended Notch's Swedish sensibilities. I guess he figured they would self-censor given there were children in the crowd.

There also seems to have been an incident with a fan who wanted to take home a custom-made Yogscast sign, but the team asked for it back. She was a bit angry at the abrupt way they took it, but there's since been an apology.

There was some anger at the way the Yogscast gave out tickets to fans for autographs, but according to Peva that seems to have been mostly from those who missed out.

The afterparty was aparently a shambles. The casino Mojang booked out completely ignored the reservation and because Deadmau5 was playing there thousands of douchebags turned up. I think this peeved off a lot of the fans.

This guy who worked on Minecon's staff seems to be quite adamant that the Yogscast acted badly at Minecon though, so there might be more to it.

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PostSubject: Re: Mojang vs. Yogscast?!?   23/11/2011, 08:09

Misunderstanding or not, for Yogs to claim they made minecraft popular is laughable at best, it is the other way around in my opinion.
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PostSubject: Re: Mojang vs. Yogscast?!?   23/11/2011, 08:14

well actually, they really are helping keep minecraft popular. yes they are not 100 percent behind it, but look at their numbers on youtube, a hugely popular site. I know many people, myself included, that only got minecraft because of watching their videos.
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PostSubject: Re: Mojang vs. Yogscast?!?   23/11/2011, 08:17

If ANYONE deserves credit for launching minecraft to poularity its /v/ and /b/ I watched it explode there while yogs was still doing WoW boss fight videos
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PostSubject: Re: Mojang vs. Yogscast?!?   23/11/2011, 08:19

and the yogscast deserves credit for helping to keep it popular
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PostSubject: Re: Mojang vs. Yogscast?!?   23/11/2011, 08:21

Ill wait for Yogs official reply to what happened, but right now.. I lost alot of respect for them
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PostSubject: Re: Mojang vs. Yogscast?!?   23/11/2011, 08:37

4chan won't get credit for anything. If anything there is 10k nerds on there, so I HIGHLY doubt that they helped any with the popularity of Minecraft.

Yogscast was the reason I got Minecraft and I didn't hear about it before they came. No doubt that they should get some credit at least. But I agree that they can't take all credit for it.
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PostSubject: Re: Mojang vs. Yogscast?!?   23/11/2011, 08:41

I lol'd

that is all
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PostSubject: Re: Mojang vs. Yogscast?!?   23/11/2011, 08:47

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I lol'd

that is all


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PostSubject: Re: Mojang vs. Yogscast?!?   23/11/2011, 08:51

Im sure I dont know what you mean Zelos, I find your post amusing so I laughed?
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PostSubject: Re: Mojang vs. Yogscast?!?   23/11/2011, 08:57

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Im sure I dont know what you mean Zelos, I find your post amusing so I laughed?

If you have some wit, you know what I mean. Quit being an ass about it.
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PostSubject: Re: Mojang vs. Yogscast?!?   23/11/2011, 09:00

I find your post rather offending there Zelos, no need to resort to name calling
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PostSubject: Re: Mojang vs. Yogscast?!?   23/11/2011, 09:01

how about both of you stop please

Tom or Sid please lock this subject seeing as it is causing people to fight.
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PostSubject: Re: Mojang vs. Yogscast?!?   23/11/2011, 09:04

Whos fighting? I'm not fighting. I dont know what got him upset to begin with >.>
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PostSubject: Re: Mojang vs. Yogscast?!?   23/11/2011, 09:05

Ghost stop posting on here, Zelos you too
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PostSubject: Re: Mojang vs. Yogscast?!?   23/11/2011, 09:24

4chan users should be banned from the forum imo.

I'm done. I was showering so I couldn't answer before you said stop
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PostSubject: Re: Mojang vs. Yogscast?!?   23/11/2011, 09:31

I am in between now. After reading what TB said, I felt a bit better about the Yogs. I think they meant some stuff as a joke and Notch didn't get the jokes, but even if they were jokes, they weren't very good ones. On the subject of asking for pay, I think that is fine because like TB said, it isn't cheap or easy to go to Las Vegas. Notch should have paid for at least travel, and that guy does have a lot of money (he rented out a casino!) but Notch shouldn't have to pay them to be on a panel. Since Notch posted on twitter about these problems, and from his public blogs, it is easy to see that Mojang is a group of nerdy people who can't run a game company like professionals, but that is one of the reasons I like Mojang! I still hope this is a misunderstanding though, to see my two favorite groups of people get into a fight is really sad for me.
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PostSubject: Re: Mojang vs. Yogscast?!?   23/11/2011, 09:35

For everyone that has not read TB's reaction, here it is:

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Looks like the witchhunt on both sides is in full swing, here's my two-pence on the latest developments, point by point.
Yogscast repeatedly insulted people, talked behind their backs, refused to cooperate, and acted like total spoiled divas nonstop.
This really doesn't sound like the Simon and Lewis I know, who are generally extremely chilled out fun people, both online and in real life.
They called us "a bunch of nerds who don't know how to run a company", demanded that we pay them to come here (nobody else got paid).
Alright so, when you bring celebrities to a convention, do you generally ask them to come for free? If you run a Star Trek convention, do you ask Riker and Spock to attend gratis? You expect them to go without compensation, which usually includes transatlantic flights and accomodation for several people as well as an appearance fee? No, you don't. Conventions rely on the celebrities in question to bring people to the event, drive traffic to the stream and add value. Yogscast are not just a couple of random fans, this is their full-time job. I've been doing events for a while now as a commentator, if an event didn't offer to pay for my services I'd have to think twice about going. Why? Because it's my job, doing things for free devalues you and it's very easy to be taken for a ride if you act like a push-over. If it was down the road, sure, maybe. If it's half way across the planet, well yeah, I'd kinda want to get paid for doing that gig, as would pretty much every eSports commentator. Yogscast went to do a panel and sign autographs, that in itself is a service, not to mention the fact that it takes them away from their regular jobs. The fact that no-one else got paid does not indicate a problem with Yogscast, but with a multi-millionaire staffing a convention with volunteers. Having seen some of the footage from Minecon, "a bunch of nerds who don't know how to run a company" is exactly how I'd describe Mojang and y'know what? I wouldn't even say that's a bad thing. The whole grass-roots "hey we're just one guy and his idea who made it big" thing is endearing and honest, but as we've just seen from this rampage, professionalism is not the highest priority of Mojang at the moment and they really don't know how to run a company. That line can be taken in many different ways, particularly coming from 2 British guys that are known to take the piss (like every British guy ever born).
And they claim they're the reason minecraft is big and that we should thank them more than anyone else in the community. They're total dicks
They are certainly the biggest driving force behind Minecraft at present, you only need to look at the view count. After Seananners stopped doing Minecraft content, Yogscast became a massive source of free promotion for the game. Their videos hit the frontpage of Youtube every day, showing Minecraft off on the second largest search engine in the world time after time. I'm not sure Notch fully grasps just how much that many views on Youtube can do for your product. To give another example, the Magicka developers told me that they attribute the majority of their sales to WTF is Magicka and The Yogscast and TotalBiscuit play Magicka. This would make sense, if you look at the views on those videos, they are massive. For an indie company, Youtube and word of mouth are the two biggest forms of free marketing available and guess what generates word of mouth? Well how about literally over a million people watching and talking about Yogscast Minecraft videos? If anything, Notch does actually sound a little ungrateful here which is a rather flabbergasting attitude from an indie dev and one I've never seen before (those who don't know, my main source of income is my WTF is series which hilights indie games, it's fairly well viewed and I've had nothing but gratitude from devs whose games I've promoted). I suppose when you get as big and as wealthy as Notch, the attitude can change.
A kid wanted them to sign something I had signed, and they said they'd cross it out and put "Fudge you" there instead.
Welcome to Yogscast humour and more to the point, British humour. The easily offended need not to apply. How old was this kid? The Yogscast demographic is quite young anyway and there is plenty of harsh language in their videos, not to mention they would hear much worse on the playground. This sounds like a joke, not a particularly good one, but a joke none-the-less and not worth getting in a tizzy over.
Everyone else in the Minecraft community is all about respecting and caring. They're not. They're an isolated island of egos.
Well no, it's not Notch, you've bred one of the most retarded fanbases in gaming history. It's not your fault, but the entire Minecraft community is not in fact, about respecting and caring. There are subcommunities within it that are, /r/Minecraft is a great subreddit from what I can see, Yogscast also has a large community of it's own over on it's forums that does just as you describe. However, you also have a lot of immature, raging assholes in your "community" as well as plenty of others who are just out for themselves. Those people don't do massive charity streams like Yogscast do, they don't promote mods (and yes I am aware of the issues with the Yogbox, nobody goes through life without fuckups), they don't act as an extremely important stimulus to the community that you apparently love so much. Yogscast is without question one of the most important forces within not only Minecraft but at this point, gaming in general. They wield a massive amount of influence and they make a hell of a lot of people very happy.
Who knows what actually happened, it will be interesting to see if the community points the pitchforks back at Notch after Yogscast is able to make their statement (they are probably still on a plane right now) and tell their side of the story. Everyone loves a good witch-hunt, but a little perspective here please and do we really have to air this dirty laundry in public?

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PostSubject: Re: Mojang vs. Yogscast?!?   23/11/2011, 10:04

IMO I think the yogscast are totally the ones to blame here. I think that what they say as a joke can often go out of hand and they dont think before they speak. During that whole interview, I did see Notch was a bit umming over one of two things and I dont believe that Notch was totally happy with what they were saying.

Also I wouldnt call the yogscast celebritites, they too need to remember that they didnt create the game and make money for Notch. Notch has made money for them. Yeah sure they introduce people to the game and promote it, but they didnt make it, they just make youtube videos and need to remember that what they do should be for the right reasons. They need to focus on making videos as entertainment and as something they enjoy doing, not as a chore or because they feel they represent the game. The worst part is that I can really imagine, Simon and Lewis pretending they own the place and I think they will have let it go to there heads.

Mentioning pay and such wasnt the right thing to do and crossing out Notch and writing fudge you was wrong. The worst part was that the person was a kid which to me disgusts me. I would expect adults like them to behave and to realise that a kid is pure and innocent and you shouldnt be using adult language around them. Honestly, they should have known better.

Honestly, in my opinion the yogscast and the main yogiverse team need to have a sit down and properly discuss where the future is heading. The videos which people liked most was back when they did it because it was real fun and they enjoyed the game. Now the SOI looks like they are getting bored of the series and are having to do it for the fans. If they want success then they need to go back to the basics, get those basics right again, only then can you succeed. Only then can they succeed.

Finally what they are doing now is just stupid... "official statement" my arse. They are a youtube entertainment channel. Not the police force. They need to stop pretending they are all so high and mighty and go back to the basics where they were at the top of there game and more people other than 10 year olds actually really enjoyed their videos.
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